a clean debt ceiling is the only way to go. when we get to march 2nd and the sequester deadline approaches again, we need to focus on a balanced debt ceiling focus. that's what this is about. the americans made a decision. they embrace president obama's idea that we should have revenue and closed tax loopholes for the wealthiest pay more and reduce spending in a balanced way. >> i think what people also hoped that they were voting for was the democrats and republicans would get in a room together and would cooperate. >> that's right. >> and what i think a lot of people are concerned are is we're not seeing that happening yet. this is supposed to be a day when we see everything reset and start over, but we have the same congress. ebb wants to know is this going to change, is there any hope for change? >> i'm full of hope. if think we have an opportunity to continue to reach across the aisle. i noe president obama and the republicans are willing to reach out. we cannot begin the second term with president obama's engaging in my w